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Alan Sondheim
2015-12-17 18:41:36 UTC
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Yes, Alan again, o woe is me, etc. I'm considering giving up
music; almost no-one listens, online and offlinethere are no
reviews, people here pretty much hate it, we're working in a
total vacuum where the response is 'this stuff isn't to my
taste,' the resulting depression and self-hatred is getting to
me, practicing seems hopeless, many of the instruments have to
be constantly tended. My life is 'again, again,' and anyway
giving up is entertaining and

Alan again. Claara can't even spell. If I were Claara I'd give
up too. +b One is unwilling to give up the primacy of the
physical because of its If you need a mate, either look for one
or give up! incredible conflagration shall make us give up even
one syllable of this Impossible of representation, humans never
give up trying, violating voice give up... turn away...something
has gone horribly wrong... perhaps this incredible conflagration
shall make us give up even one syllable of this Impossible of
representation, humans never give up trying, violating voice
Coleridge - perhaps I should give up art altogether - at least
this THIS give up... turn away...something has gone horribly
wrong... perhaps this:

One is unwilling to give up the primacy of the physical because
of its immensity. It is difficult, even from a platonic
viewpoint, to comprehend the immensity of the abstract as well -
it pales by comparison. As for consciousness, it seems the
weakest of all, certainly the most fragile. It is within
consciousness that the annihilation and creation of historical
memory occur.

Mayakovsky says, Nora, you've just got to give up things.
There's no way I it's going to be that way if you don't give up
the stage just to be with what if i give up, the fingers stop
for a day or so - you'll have less of I'd give up my mind for
any age! what if i give up, the fingers stop for a day or so -
you'll have less of I would have had a lot, but right now I
would be forced to give up so much lag.) To give up to the text
is to give in to the text, to _follow_ the Estate, and to what
extent would I want to give up the paraphrase for the theory,
the apparatus. And while I don't give up in this space, I give
up for the distance, give up to the distance, which can seem
insurmountable, Oh I give up! give up no response, to open
ons^eself. For it is true that ^ when the You do not have to
give up knowledge and the guidance of the sage, Nikuko, got to
give up everything and the king decides whether he lives or
dies!" to give up everything to the luscious slave! She'll be my
master! That but it was always slim. maybe if i just turn away
and give up. but i out everything, give up; i become hateful;
i'm not the person i'm capable wards. I give up, I've bent over
backwards for you. If you speak behind my hair. You clean
yourself out nice and proper. You give up, you've bent give up
the ways of the world, sexuality is a curse, men are a curse,
incredible conflagration shall make us give up even one syllable
of this give up you cowards. talk secret talk interstitial -
you'll find it - don't give up - always looking - the give up on
that heinous business and continue in heinous pecuniary loss --
Never give up. Never give in to false pessimism or optimism.
Remain a Magnificent! genius bow to the labors of life; give up
his that way; it would give up nothing, remain obdurate, make
sure that matter; matter can only give up the truth itself!
Remember: In every am still here trying to help you! I hate to
give up on you! When you I really hate to give up on you! will
you give up your life for them. I've got to get Alphaworld
running but should probably give up. I'm going Oh I give up! at
the age of having gone against his doctor's advice to give up
the my I've got to get Alphaworld running but should probably
give up. I'm going please do not give up hope One is unwilling
to give up the primacy of the physical because of its at the age
of having gone against his doctor's advice to give up the my
Impossible of representation, humans never give up trying,
violating voice Coleridge - perhaps I should give up art
altogether - at least this THIS give up... turn away...something
has gone horribly wrong... perhaps this herr plaCLAWe Don't give
up the great good fight Dont gayeve up THOOe I give up, I've
bent over backwards for you. If you speak behind this:

Alan Dojoji: you're about to give up
Alan Dojoji: you have to give up

and what if i give up, the fingers stop for a day or so - you'll
have less of I give up, I've bent over backwards for you. If you
speak behind my hair. You clean yourself out nice and proper.
You give up, you've bent poets; predicatable.) insight badly?
anyway? (forgive upper-casing) Coleridge - perhaps I should give
up art alto gatha - at least make you want to give up your home,
your friends, your country, One is unwilling to give up the
primacy of the physical because of its Impossible of
representation, humans never give up trying, violating voice
Coleridge - perhaps I should give up art altogether - at least
this THIS give up... turn away...something has gone horribly
wrong... perhaps this herr plaCLAWe Don't give up the great good
fight Dont gayeve up THOOe Impossible of representation, humans
never give up trying, violating voice that way; it would give up
nothing, remain obdurate, make sure that matter; matter can only
give up the truth itself! Remember: In every gunmakers in the
world (the Japanese) had largely given up gun making, left
channel #c**kt > > i've has given up into the light, given up to
the full view, nothing whatsoever, and this 26350:the light,
given up to the full view, nothing whatsoever, and these
sciousness before I have accomplished or given up the research,
just as into the light, given up to the full view, nothing
whatsoever, and this the light, given up to the full view,
nothing whatsoever, and these She worried about the security of
it all, and had even given up her habit. own; they have given up
will; they never had it in the first place; they what rights are
given up; it doesn't take Mike Davis to tell us about the it was
the final straw ... don't go there sober, eh? ... I'd given up,
I I've given up my face. I have no face any more. where I've
given up on real life, where I pull out tumescent life, where
I've given up on real life, where I pull on tumescent life, glow
for you, given and given up without recourse; mourning is a
moment astride the star, having given up all energy for future
children. Clar moves in the lies have given up on us. walking
out of doors on occasion, we're invisi- in the mists. don't look
for me, don't find me. i've given up truth for her troubled
misery; she had given up all hope. she thought the letter into
the light, given up to the full view, nothing whatsoever, and
these where i've given up on real life, where I pull out
tumescent life, where i've given up on real life, where I pull
on tumescent life, glow for you, at a screening. i am not
boorish there because i have given up there on want her to see
what a man looks like who's given up drinking, gambling, It was
a situation of a new boy, I had abandoned, given up, those I
haven't given up on you 5 and you 6. I so much want to help you.
I was lies have given up on us. walking out of doors on
occasion, we're invisi- temporarily given up on it, in terms of
multimedia. Blender and Gimp work given up how many lines ascii
up on the charts, i've given up on psychosomatic, the symptoms
come too own; they have given up will; they never had it in the
first place; they everyone's given up on me... place; now we've
voluntarily given up even the thought of it. We live in find me.
i've given up truth for anything, disappear in the don't look
for me, don't find me. i've given up truth for the own; they
have given up will; they never had it in the first place; they
that, regarding her, her jeweled star, having given up all It
was a situation of a new boy, I had abandoned, given up, those

for those who have given up hope
Maurizio Mariotti
2015-12-18 07:56:36 UTC
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Post by Alan Sondheim
Yes, Alan again, o woe is me, etc. I'm considering giving up
music; almost no-one listens, online and offlinethere are no
reviews, people here pretty much hate it,
Hello, Alan. Perhaps this is terribly naïve on my part, but I always
thought you were composing/making music for your own pleasure and not
for other people's.

Maurizio


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Jerry Everard
2015-12-18 10:23:36 UTC
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It occurs to me that another reading of this is that *giving up* can be
synonymous with *offering up* - so giving up music, in this case, is
actually offering up music as an act of releasing it into the world. Thus
far from ceasing music, I read this as Alan's making an offering of his
music, given freely and once released from the instrument, never to be
recalled. Of course, it is then up to others to receive the offer as they
see fit...

I acknowledge that that may not accord with Alan's intention, but I would
prefer that reading over a self-absorbed self-pitying abjectness - which
may serve its own purpose, but possibly limits itself to being just a plea
for help or attention.

For the record, I listen to the music at times and can appreciate the
atonality and occasional happy consonances - but confess to finding it
difficult at times to discern the subtle structuring principles. But it's
not about me - I agree that first and foremost Alan's music is for Alan -
and I think most musicians feel that way toward their music.


Chers
Jerry

Dr Jerry Everard
Author: "Virtual States: The Internet and the Boundaries of the
Nation-State" (London:Routledge, 2000)

blogs: http://www.thefogwatch.com/
http://fogwatchphotos.com/

“If you can’t explain it simply, you don’t understand it well enough.” -
Albert Einstein
Post by Maurizio Mariotti
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Post by Alan Sondheim
Yes, Alan again, o woe is me, etc. I'm considering giving up
music; almost no-one listens, online and offlinethere are no
reviews, people here pretty much hate it,
Hello, Alan. Perhaps this is terribly naïve on my part, but I always
thought you were composing/making music for your own pleasure and not
for other people's.
Maurizio
.
Alan Sondheim
2015-12-18 19:33:31 UTC
Permalink
Hi Jerry, I feel I should have a response here but I don't. Every musician
I know who is working with edgy music is having these difficuties; a lot
have stopped playing altogether. There are no grants and in RI at least no
places to play the stuff we play. So maybe we're all self-pitying, which
is a nice way of dismissing the fact that there's a cultural problem at
work. As far as 'offering up' - obviously we all do that, and obviously
without a grant or other performance structure, we're fucked. I found your
reply condescending.
Post by Jerry Everard
It occurs to me that another reading of this is that *giving up* can be
synonymous with *offering up* - so giving up music, in this case, is
actually offering up music as an act of releasing it into the world. Thus
far from ceasing music, I read this as Alan's making an offering of his
music, given freely and once released from the instrument, never to be
recalled. Of course, it is then up to others to receive the offer as they
see fit...
I acknowledge that that may not accord with Alan's intention, but I would
prefer that reading over a self-absorbed self-pitying abjectness - which
may serve its own purpose, but possibly limits itself to being just a plea
for help or attention.
For the record, I listen to the music at times and can appreciate the
atonality and occasional happy consonances - but confess to finding it
difficult at times to discern the subtle structuring principles. But it's
not about me - I agree that first and foremost Alan's music is for Alan -
and I think most musicians feel that way toward their music.
Chers
Jerry
Dr Jerry Everard
Author: "Virtual States: The Internet and the Boundaries of the
Nation-State" (London:Routledge, 2000)
blogs: http://www.thefogwatch.com/
http://fogwatchphotos.com/
?If you can?t explain it simply, you don?t understand it well enough.? -
Albert Einstein
.
Post by Alan Sondheim
Yes, Alan again, o woe is me, etc. I'm considering giving up
music; almost no-one listens, online and offlinethere are no
reviews, people here pretty much hate it,
Hello, Alan. Perhaps this is terribly na?ve on my part, but I always
thought you were composing/making music for your own pleasure and not
for other people's.
Maurizio
.
==
email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/
web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285
music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/
current text http://www.alansondheim.org/tp.txt
==
Jerry Everard
2015-12-18 21:22:14 UTC
Permalink
Alan - let me be clear. My response certainly wasn't intended as
condescending and certainly not aimed at your feelings. I was actually
trying to turn a dark moment into a lighter one by exploring past the
surface representations - I thought you knew me better than that.

Every artist who challenges the received aesthetic does it hard - it is how
the conservative 'centre' protects itself - by not supporting artists, by
privatising public exhibition spaces and by death by a thousand creeping
cuts - we have the same in Australia. And I get that. The cultural problem
is plain to see, and as artists, we continue because that's what we believe
in against the odds - and it annoys the establishment.

What I sought to do was to provide a subversive reading - to go past the
cri du Coeur - and provide a counter to the sense of marginalisation.

I apologise if my comments seemed insensitive.

Cheers
Jerry

Dr Jerry Everard
Author: "Virtual States: The Internet and the Boundaries of the
Nation-State" (London:Routledge, 2000)

blogs: http://www.thefogwatch.com/
http://fogwatchphotos.com/

“If you can’t explain it simply, you don’t understand it well enough.” -
Albert Einstein
Post by Alan Sondheim
Hi Jerry, I feel I should have a response here but I don't. Every musician
I know who is working with edgy music is having these difficuties; a lot
have stopped playing altogether. There are no grants and in RI at least no
places to play the stuff we play. So maybe we're all self-pitying, which is
a nice way of dismissing the fact that there's a cultural problem at work.
As far as 'offering up' - obviously we all do that, and obviously without a
grant or other performance structure, we're fucked. I found your reply
condescending.
It occurs to me that another reading of this is that *giving up* can be
Post by Jerry Everard
synonymous with *offering up* - so giving up music, in this case, is
actually offering up music as an act of releasing it into the world. Thus
far from ceasing music, I read this as Alan's making an offering of his
music, given freely and once released from the instrument, never to be
recalled. Of course, it is then up to others to receive the offer as they
see fit...
I acknowledge that that may not accord with Alan's intention, but I would
prefer that reading over a self-absorbed self-pitying abjectness - which
may serve its own purpose, but possibly limits itself to being just a plea
for help or attention.
For the record, I listen to the music at times and can appreciate the
atonality and occasional happy consonances - but confess to finding it
difficult at times to discern the subtle structuring principles. But it's
not about me - I agree that first and foremost Alan's music is for Alan -
and I think most musicians feel that way toward their music.
Chers
Jerry
Dr Jerry Everard
Author: "Virtual States: The Internet and the Boundaries of the
Nation-State" (London:Routledge, 2000)
blogs: http://www.thefogwatch.com/
http://fogwatchphotos.com/
?If you can?t explain it simply, you don?t understand it well enough.? -
Albert Einstein
On 18 December 2015 at 18:55, Maurizio Mariotti <
.
Post by Alan Sondheim
Yes, Alan again, o woe is me, etc. I'm considering giving up
Post by Alan Sondheim
music; almost no-one listens, online and offlinethere are no
reviews, people here pretty much hate it,
Hello, Alan. Perhaps this is terribly na?ve on my part, but I always
thought you were composing/making music for your own pleasure and not
for other people's.
Maurizio
.
==
email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/
web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285
music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/
current text http://www.alansondheim.org/tp.txt
==
Alan Sondheim
2015-12-18 21:33:48 UTC
Permalink
I apologize as well; I definitely over-reacted.

love Alan
Post by Jerry Everard
Alan - let me be clear. My response certainly wasn't intended as
condescending and certainly not aimed at your feelings. I was actually
trying to turn a dark moment into a lighter one by exploring past the
surface representations - I thought you knew me better than that.
Every artist who challenges the received aesthetic does it hard - it is how
the conservative 'centre' protects itself - by not supporting artists, by
privatising public exhibition spaces and by death by a thousand creeping
cuts - we have the same in Australia. And I get that. The cultural problem
is plain to see, and as artists, we continue because that's what we believe
in against the odds - and it annoys the establishment.
What I sought to do was to provide a subversive reading - to go past the
cri du Coeur - and provide a counter to the sense of marginalisation.
I apologise if my comments seemed insensitive.
Cheers
Jerry
Dr Jerry Everard
Author: "Virtual States: The Internet and the Boundaries of the
Nation-State" (London:Routledge, 2000)
blogs: http://www.thefogwatch.com/
http://fogwatchphotos.com/
?If you can?t explain it simply, you don?t understand it well enough.? -
Albert Einstein
Post by Alan Sondheim
Hi Jerry, I feel I should have a response here but I don't. Every musician
I know who is working with edgy music is having these difficuties; a lot
have stopped playing altogether. There are no grants and in RI at least no
places to play the stuff we play. So maybe we're all self-pitying, which is
a nice way of dismissing the fact that there's a cultural problem at work.
As far as 'offering up' - obviously we all do that, and obviously without a
grant or other performance structure, we're fucked. I found your reply
condescending.
It occurs to me that another reading of this is that *giving up* can be
Post by Jerry Everard
synonymous with *offering up* - so giving up music, in this case, is
actually offering up music as an act of releasing it into the world. Thus
far from ceasing music, I read this as Alan's making an offering of his
music, given freely and once released from the instrument, never to be
recalled. Of course, it is then up to others to receive the offer as they
see fit...
I acknowledge that that may not accord with Alan's intention, but I would
prefer that reading over a self-absorbed self-pitying abjectness - which
may serve its own purpose, but possibly limits itself to being just a plea
for help or attention.
For the record, I listen to the music at times and can appreciate the
atonality and occasional happy consonances - but confess to finding it
difficult at times to discern the subtle structuring principles. But it's
not about me - I agree that first and foremost Alan's music is for Alan -
and I think most musicians feel that way toward their music.
Chers
Jerry
Dr Jerry Everard
Author: "Virtual States: The Internet and the Boundaries of the
Nation-State" (London:Routledge, 2000)
blogs: http://www.thefogwatch.com/
http://fogwatchphotos.com/
?If you can?t explain it simply, you don?t understand it well enough.? -
Albert Einstein
On 18 December 2015 at 18:55, Maurizio Mariotti <
.
Post by Alan Sondheim
Yes, Alan again, o woe is me, etc. I'm considering giving up
Post by Alan Sondheim
music; almost no-one listens, online and offlinethere are no
reviews, people here pretty much hate it,
Hello, Alan. Perhaps this is terribly na?ve on my part, but I always
thought you were composing/making music for your own pleasure and not
for other people's.
Maurizio
.
==
email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/
web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285
music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/
current text http://www.alansondheim.org/tp.txt
==
==
email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/
web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285
music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/
current text http://www.alansondheim.org/tp.txt
==

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