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cause I hate the fact that Trump is part of Trumpet, just as
Vile Trump is part of Viol-Trumpet duet. Mr Trump has wrecked
music and no matter what I do, the clarion sound of a trumpet is
ruined by an association that Trumps his quasi-fascist stance
(there I go again four no trump (damn)).

TRUMPeted, oh brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a
shadow of post Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of a new
day!", "%n is happy that %d is instruments like TRUMPet and
dilruba together (not to mention jaltarang). ends? What?
(Consider _here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.)
turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable perceptible TRUMPet
dialup on my TRUMPet winsock software? Do I use another computer
alto- script DISABLED truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP
TRUMPery TRUMPet truncate trundle the conch shell TRUMPet or the
dorje. It will not be of pure flame or the blow again TRUMPeter
- conjure war's alarums. cancers blow again blow TRUMPeter again
- TRUMPeter conjure - war's when blow again blow again
TRUMPeter, TRUMPeter dictionary of URLs TRUMPs the installed
dictionary of English words. What there will be no next
election, as the country is placed under TRUMPed up TRUMPet, and
I heard him, that's Mali Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of
a new Our music tonight (TRUMPet, guitar) was tired and
meandering. Can you the TRUMPet case. My headache is getting
worse again. I need codeine. The (though the TRUMPets blew and
the horn did blare) salutation TRUMPet needle the TRUMPeter
grants you, count as gain. He seems determined to make a TRUMPet
sound Wanted: Used alphorn or Tibetan TRUMPet. Will be put to
serious good use. turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable
perceptible TRUMPet like TRUMPet winsock. But these menus would
_not_ be necessary; everything Sans, etc) The (Axa rework
TRUMPet winsock sometimes, usually just set for ever and ever):
truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP TRUMPery TRUMPet trunc
tripack, troop, trouble, troupe, TRUMP, truss. flares of distant
TRUMPets. but not the monochord or marine TRUMPet. this rebabah
with its internal Below guitarist TRUMPet Cheers when hir plumpy
lumpy rumpy sTRUMPs and TRUMPs! inerrancy TRUMPs inerrancy;
inerrancy TRUMPs contradiction. in TRUMPets, in a manuscript as
dated as the fourtheenth centure r r n TRUMPets, in a manuscript
as dated as the fourtheenth centure in spain who mess with
fusion and Marsalis (all of them) and bass TRUMPet vs. trombone
nor do they sound the TRUMPets of the holy anderson (violin),
(mandolin, below GUITARist TRUMPet cheers bring modified by
chris tracks he's our music tonight (TRUMPet, was TRUMPet
guitarist (mandolin, TRUMPet TRUMPet below cheers cheers below
cheers bring guitarist cheers up TRUMPet cheers /who mercer?
side-walk caving in/ joans mali lick TRUMPet, recorded (Consider
_here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.) thereabout
familz nbc dumps TRUMP asian morning briefing: dow TRUMPeted, oh
brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a TRUMPet, and I
heard him, that's Mali, that's not Donald, DT, delerium tremens,
hates anyone not military white male christian: white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white. I shouldn't be wasting so much time in
a coffee shop trying to concentrate on Peirce's continuum,
Zamalea, and my own humble philosophical meanderings. They trump
everything! (Damn...)

[Richard C Wilkerson]

All I know is that <esc> no longer works on Windows. Probably not with
politicians either.

RC

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cause I hate the fact that Trump is part of Trumpet, just as
Vile Trump is part of Viol-Trumpet duet. Mr Trump has wrecked
music and no matter what I do, the clarion sound of a trumpet is
ruined by an association that Trumps his quasi-fascist stance
(there I go again four no trump (damn)).

TRUMPeted, oh brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a
shadow of post Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of a new
day!", "%n is happy that %d is instruments like TRUMPet and
dilruba together (not to mention jaltarang). ends? What?
(Consider _here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.)
turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable perceptible TRUMPet
dialup on my TRUMPet winsock software? Do I use another computer
alto- script DISABLED truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP
TRUMPery TRUMPet truncate trundle the conch shell TRUMPet or the
dorje. It will not be of pure flame or the blow again TRUMPeter
- conjure war's alarums. cancers blow again blow TRUMPeter again
- TRUMPeter conjure - war's when blow again blow again
TRUMPeter, TRUMPeter dictionary of URLs TRUMPs the installed
dictionary of English words. What there will be no next
election, as the country is placed under TRUMPed up TRUMPet, and
I heard him, that's Mali Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of
a new Our music tonight (TRUMPet, guitar) was tired and
meandering. Can you the TRUMPet case. My headache is getting
worse again. I need codeine. The (though the TRUMPets blew and
the horn did blare) salutation TRUMPet needle the TRUMPeter
grants you, count as gain. He seems determined to make a TRUMPet
sound Wanted: Used alphorn or Tibetan TRUMPet. Will be put to
serious good use. turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable
perceptible TRUMPet like TRUMPet winsock. But these menus would
_not_ be necessary; everything Sans, etc) The (Axa rework
TRUMPet winsock sometimes, usually just set for ever and ever):
truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP TRUMPery TRUMPet trunc
tripack, troop, trouble, troupe, TRUMP, truss. flares of distant
TRUMPets. but not the monochord or marine TRUMPet. this rebabah
with its internal Below guitarist TRUMPet Cheers when hir plumpy
lumpy rumpy sTRUMPs and TRUMPs! inerrancy TRUMPs inerrancy;
inerrancy TRUMPs contradiction. in TRUMPets, in a manuscript as
dated as the fourtheenth centure r r n TRUMPets, in a manuscript
as dated as the fourtheenth centure in spain who mess with
fusion and Marsalis (all of them) and bass TRUMPet vs. trombone
nor do they sound the TRUMPets of the holy anderson (violin),
(mandolin, below GUITARist TRUMPet cheers bring modified by
chris tracks he's our music tonight (TRUMPet, was TRUMPet
guitarist (mandolin, TRUMPet TRUMPet below cheers cheers below
cheers bring guitarist cheers up TRUMPet cheers /who mercer?
side-walk caving in/ joans mali lick TRUMPet, recorded (Consider
_here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.) thereabout
familz nbc dumps TRUMP asian morning briefing: dow TRUMPeted, oh
brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a TRUMPet, and I
heard him, that's Mali, that's not Donald, DT, delerium tremens,
hates anyone not military white male christian: white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white. I shouldn't be wasting so much time in
a coffee shop trying to concentrate on Peirce's continuum,
Zamalea, and my own humble philosophical meanderings. They trump
everything! (Damn...)

[Alan Sondheim]

pretty much true -

Post by Richard C Wilkerson
All I know is that <esc> no longer works on Windows. Probably not with
politicians either.
RC
-----Original Message-----
From: Philosophy and Psychology of Cyberspace
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 1:10 PM
Subject: Type <esc> to abort
Type <esc> to abort
http://www.alansondheim.org/dt.png
cause I hate the fact that Trump is part of Trumpet, just as
Vile Trump is part of Viol-Trumpet duet. Mr Trump has wrecked
music and no matter what I do, the clarion sound of a trumpet is
ruined by an association that Trumps his quasi-fascist stance
(there I go again four no trump (damn)).
TRUMPeted, oh brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a
shadow of post Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of a new
day!", "%n is happy that %d is instruments like TRUMPet and
dilruba together (not to mention jaltarang). ends? What?
(Consider _here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.)
turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable perceptible TRUMPet
dialup on my TRUMPet winsock software? Do I use another computer
alto- script DISABLED truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP
TRUMPery TRUMPet truncate trundle the conch shell TRUMPet or the
dorje. It will not be of pure flame or the blow again TRUMPeter
- conjure war's alarums. cancers blow again blow TRUMPeter again
- TRUMPeter conjure - war's when blow again blow again
TRUMPeter, TRUMPeter dictionary of URLs TRUMPs the installed
dictionary of English words. What there will be no next
election, as the country is placed under TRUMPed up TRUMPet, and
I heard him, that's Mali Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of
a new Our music tonight (TRUMPet, guitar) was tired and
meandering. Can you the TRUMPet case. My headache is getting
worse again. I need codeine. The (though the TRUMPets blew and
the horn did blare) salutation TRUMPet needle the TRUMPeter
grants you, count as gain. He seems determined to make a TRUMPet
sound Wanted: Used alphorn or Tibetan TRUMPet. Will be put to
serious good use. turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable
perceptible TRUMPet like TRUMPet winsock. But these menus would
_not_ be necessary; everything Sans, etc) The (Axa rework
truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP TRUMPery TRUMPet trunc
tripack, troop, trouble, troupe, TRUMP, truss. flares of distant
TRUMPets. but not the monochord or marine TRUMPet. this rebabah
with its internal Below guitarist TRUMPet Cheers when hir plumpy
lumpy rumpy sTRUMPs and TRUMPs! inerrancy TRUMPs inerrancy;
inerrancy TRUMPs contradiction. in TRUMPets, in a manuscript as
dated as the fourtheenth centure r r n TRUMPets, in a manuscript
as dated as the fourtheenth centure in spain who mess with
fusion and Marsalis (all of them) and bass TRUMPet vs. trombone
nor do they sound the TRUMPets of the holy anderson (violin),
(mandolin, below GUITARist TRUMPet cheers bring modified by
chris tracks he's our music tonight (TRUMPet, was TRUMPet
guitarist (mandolin, TRUMPet TRUMPet below cheers cheers below
cheers bring guitarist cheers up TRUMPet cheers /who mercer?
side-walk caving in/ joans mali lick TRUMPet, recorded (Consider
_here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.) thereabout
familz nbc dumps TRUMP asian morning briefing: dow TRUMPeted, oh
brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a TRUMPet, and I
heard him, that's Mali, that's not Donald, DT, delerium tremens,
hates anyone not military white male christian: white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white. I shouldn't be wasting so much time in
a coffee shop trying to concentrate on Peirce's continuum,
Zamalea, and my own humble philosophical meanderings. They trump
everything! (Damn...)

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[Alan Sondheim]

Trump's out and out racism and bullying is unparalleled. All of them would
be a disaster for the US and the world for that matter, given their hatred
of migrants, their stance on climate change, etc. What goes on in this
country on street level is horrifying.

- Alan

One problem with Trump is that he might even be the sanest of the republican candidates
After all, he is merely a science denier rather than a science denier and religious fanatic like most of the others. and he does recognize that the Bush Jr invasion of Iraq was a mistake, which appears to be a taboo amongst republicans - its always other people who are to blame.
I guess i'm one of those who think that the republicans have brought this on America by encouraging disinformation and fantasy politics, but I guess that would not be something everyone would agree with.
jon
________________________________________
Sent: Saturday, 27 February 2016 8:10 AM
Subject: Type <esc> to abort
Type <esc> to abort
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cause I hate the fact that Trump is part of Trumpet, just as
Vile Trump is part of Viol-Trumpet duet. Mr Trump has wrecked
music and no matter what I do, the clarion sound of a trumpet is
ruined by an association that Trumps his quasi-fascist stance
(there I go again four no trump (damn)).
TRUMPeted, oh brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a
shadow of post Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of a new
day!", "%n is happy that %d is instruments like TRUMPet and
dilruba together (not to mention jaltarang). ends? What?
(Consider _here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.)
turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable perceptible TRUMPet
dialup on my TRUMPet winsock software? Do I use another computer
alto- script DISABLED truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP
TRUMPery TRUMPet truncate trundle the conch shell TRUMPet or the
dorje. It will not be of pure flame or the blow again TRUMPeter
- conjure war's alarums. cancers blow again blow TRUMPeter again
- TRUMPeter conjure - war's when blow again blow again
TRUMPeter, TRUMPeter dictionary of URLs TRUMPs the installed
dictionary of English words. What there will be no next
election, as the country is placed under TRUMPed up TRUMPet, and
I heard him, that's Mali Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of
a new Our music tonight (TRUMPet, guitar) was tired and
meandering. Can you the TRUMPet case. My headache is getting
worse again. I need codeine. The (though the TRUMPets blew and
the horn did blare) salutation TRUMPet needle the TRUMPeter
grants you, count as gain. He seems determined to make a TRUMPet
sound Wanted: Used alphorn or Tibetan TRUMPet. Will be put to
serious good use. turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable
perceptible TRUMPet like TRUMPet winsock. But these menus would
_not_ be necessary; everything Sans, etc) The (Axa rework
truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP TRUMPery TRUMPet trunc
tripack, troop, trouble, troupe, TRUMP, truss. flares of distant
TRUMPets. but not the monochord or marine TRUMPet. this rebabah
with its internal Below guitarist TRUMPet Cheers when hir plumpy
lumpy rumpy sTRUMPs and TRUMPs! inerrancy TRUMPs inerrancy;
inerrancy TRUMPs contradiction. in TRUMPets, in a manuscript as
dated as the fourtheenth centure r r n TRUMPets, in a manuscript
as dated as the fourtheenth centure in spain who mess with
fusion and Marsalis (all of them) and bass TRUMPet vs. trombone
nor do they sound the TRUMPets of the holy anderson (violin),
(mandolin, below GUITARist TRUMPet cheers bring modified by
chris tracks he's our music tonight (TRUMPet, was TRUMPet
guitarist (mandolin, TRUMPet TRUMPet below cheers cheers below
cheers bring guitarist cheers up TRUMPet cheers /who mercer?
side-walk caving in/ joans mali lick TRUMPet, recorded (Consider
_here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.) thereabout
familz nbc dumps TRUMP asian morning briefing: dow TRUMPeted, oh
brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a TRUMPet, and I
heard him, that's Mali, that's not Donald, DT, delerium tremens,
hates anyone not military white male christian: white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white. I shouldn't be wasting so much time in
a coffee shop trying to concentrate on Peirce's continuum,
Zamalea, and my own humble philosophical meanderings. They trump
everything! (Damn...)
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[Jonathan Marshall]

Post by Alan Sondheim
Trump's out and out racism and bullying is unparalleled. All of them would
be a disaster for the US and the world for that matter, given their hatred
of migrants, their stance on climate change, etc. What goes on in this
country on street level is horrifying.

I'm certainly not denying that Trump would be a disaster. His immigration polices would mean something like race war, and the only way I can see that he could persuade Mexico to pay for a wall along the border is if he invaded the country.

So naturally, he seems to think the US should spend even more on the military, when the US is being bankrupted by the military, and more military expenditure would undoubtedly have even more marginal returns.
If you increase people's fear of you, then they are more likely to support those who oppose you, so it increases instability.

He thinks that companies that currently pay zero tax would pay tax willingly if it was reduced, and that this would increase employment. Although simplifying taxation is probably a potentially useful thing, depending on how it is done.

He seems to think that negotiation consists of other people doing what he wants, or he walks out or attacks them. This technique won't work in many places.

He will apparently avoid doing anything about climate change or ecological destruction, thus refusing to face the greatest challenge the world faces.

Basically all these policies are guided by fantasy.

My argument is that none of the other Republican candidates are guided by reality either. None of them are likely to be better than Trump, or more likely to face up to real problems. Republicans are great at blaming racial groups for their problems, it seems to be their standard practice. They like encouraging 'white resentment', it probably deflects resentment from plutocracy. In this Trump is simply more explicit.

All the Republican candidates, and the republican party generally, seem to think that if you refuse to talk with people, refuse to face problems, support corporate dominated 'free markets', support plutocracy, cultivate hate towards outsiders (the poor, minority religions, ethnic groups etc) and threaten like mad, then you can solve all the problems there are.

Hence my suggestion that "the republicans have brought this on America by encouraging disinformation and fantasy politics"

jon

Post by Alan Sondheim
One problem with Trump is that he might even be the sanest of the republican candidates
After all, he is merely a science denier rather than a science denier and religious fanatic like most of the others. and he does recognize that the Bush Jr invasion of Iraq was a mistake, which appears to be a taboo amongst republicans - its always other people who are to blame.
I guess i'm one of those who think that the republicans have brought this on America by encouraging disinformation and fantasy politics, but I guess that would not be something everyone would agree with.
jon
________________________________________
Sent: Saturday, 27 February 2016 8:10 AM
Subject: Type <esc> to abort
Type <esc> to abort
http://www.alansondheim.org/dt.png
cause I hate the fact that Trump is part of Trumpet, just as
Vile Trump is part of Viol-Trumpet duet. Mr Trump has wrecked
music and no matter what I do, the clarion sound of a trumpet is
ruined by an association that Trumps his quasi-fascist stance
(there I go again four no trump (damn)).
TRUMPeted, oh brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a
shadow of post Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of a new
day!", "%n is happy that %d is instruments like TRUMPet and
dilruba together (not to mention jaltarang). ends? What?
(Consider _here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.)
turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable perceptible TRUMPet
dialup on my TRUMPet winsock software? Do I use another computer
alto- script DISABLED truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP
TRUMPery TRUMPet truncate trundle the conch shell TRUMPet or the
dorje. It will not be of pure flame or the blow again TRUMPeter
- conjure war's alarums. cancers blow again blow TRUMPeter again
- TRUMPeter conjure - war's when blow again blow again
TRUMPeter, TRUMPeter dictionary of URLs TRUMPs the installed
dictionary of English words. What there will be no next
election, as the country is placed under TRUMPed up TRUMPet, and
I heard him, that's Mali Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of
a new Our music tonight (TRUMPet, guitar) was tired and
meandering. Can you the TRUMPet case. My headache is getting
worse again. I need codeine. The (though the TRUMPets blew and
the horn did blare) salutation TRUMPet needle the TRUMPeter
grants you, count as gain. He seems determined to make a TRUMPet
sound Wanted: Used alphorn or Tibetan TRUMPet. Will be put to
serious good use. turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable
perceptible TRUMPet like TRUMPet winsock. But these menus would
_not_ be necessary; everything Sans, etc) The (Axa rework
truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP TRUMPery TRUMPet trunc
tripack, troop, trouble, troupe, TRUMP, truss. flares of distant
TRUMPets. but not the monochord or marine TRUMPet. this rebabah
with its internal Below guitarist TRUMPet Cheers when hir plumpy
lumpy rumpy sTRUMPs and TRUMPs! inerrancy TRUMPs inerrancy;
inerrancy TRUMPs contradiction. in TRUMPets, in a manuscript as
dated as the fourtheenth centure r r n TRUMPets, in a manuscript
as dated as the fourtheenth centure in spain who mess with
fusion and Marsalis (all of them) and bass TRUMPet vs. trombone
nor do they sound the TRUMPets of the holy anderson (violin),
(mandolin, below GUITARist TRUMPet cheers bring modified by
chris tracks he's our music tonight (TRUMPet, was TRUMPet
guitarist (mandolin, TRUMPet TRUMPet below cheers cheers below
cheers bring guitarist cheers up TRUMPet cheers /who mercer?
side-walk caving in/ joans mali lick TRUMPet, recorded (Consider
_here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.) thereabout
familz nbc dumps TRUMP asian morning briefing: dow TRUMPeted, oh
brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a TRUMPet, and I
heard him, that's Mali, that's not Donald, DT, delerium tremens,
hates anyone not military white male christian: white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white. I shouldn't be wasting so much time in
a coffee shop trying to concentrate on Peirce's continuum,
Zamalea, and my own humble philosophical meanderings. They trump
everything! (Damn...)
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[Alan Sondheim]

in a way it's simple; this country is running on fear. you see it in the
streets, on the local news, everywhere. it reminds me too much of pre-
fascist Germany, and I'm not saying that lightly; I've had too many
conversations in the past with Jewish survivors and camp survivors who
pretty much lived under similar conditions. In Philadelphia a while ago we
were at a Mid-East market, and you could see fear in people's faces; it
was horrible, shameful. I can't even talk sensibly about this.

- Alan

Post by Jonathan Marshall

Post by Alan Sondheim
Trump's out and out racism and bullying is unparalleled. All of them would
be a disaster for the US and the world for that matter, given their hatred
of migrants, their stance on climate change, etc. What goes on in this
country on street level is horrifying.

I'm certainly not denying that Trump would be a disaster. His immigration polices would mean something like race war, and the only way I can see that he could persuade Mexico to pay for a wall along the border is if he invaded the country.
So naturally, he seems to think the US should spend even more on the military, when the US is being bankrupted by the military, and more military expenditure would undoubtedly have even more marginal returns.
If you increase people's fear of you, then they are more likely to support those who oppose you, so it increases instability.
He thinks that companies that currently pay zero tax would pay tax willingly if it was reduced, and that this would increase employment. Although simplifying taxation is probably a potentially useful thing, depending on how it is done.
He seems to think that negotiation consists of other people doing what he wants, or he walks out or attacks them. This technique won't work in many places.
He will apparently avoid doing anything about climate change or ecological destruction, thus refusing to face the greatest challenge the world faces.
Basically all these policies are guided by fantasy.
My argument is that none of the other Republican candidates are guided by reality either. None of them are likely to be better than Trump, or more likely to face up to real problems. Republicans are great at blaming racial groups for their problems, it seems to be their standard practice. They like encouraging 'white resentment', it probably deflects resentment from plutocracy. In this Trump is simply more explicit.
All the Republican candidates, and the republican party generally, seem to think that if you refuse to talk with people, refuse to face problems, support corporate dominated 'free markets', support plutocracy, cultivate hate towards outsiders (the poor, minority religions, ethnic groups etc) and threaten like mad, then you can solve all the problems there are.
Hence my suggestion that "the republicans have brought this on America by encouraging disinformation and fantasy politics"
jon

Post by Alan Sondheim
One problem with Trump is that he might even be the sanest of the republican candidates
After all, he is merely a science denier rather than a science denier and religious fanatic like most of the others. and he does recognize that the Bush Jr invasion of Iraq was a mistake, which appears to be a taboo amongst republicans - its always other people who are to blame.
I guess i'm one of those who think that the republicans have brought this on America by encouraging disinformation and fantasy politics, but I guess that would not be something everyone would agree with.
jon
________________________________________
Sent: Saturday, 27 February 2016 8:10 AM
Subject: Type <esc> to abort
Type <esc> to abort
http://www.alansondheim.org/dt.png
cause I hate the fact that Trump is part of Trumpet, just as
Vile Trump is part of Viol-Trumpet duet. Mr Trump has wrecked
music and no matter what I do, the clarion sound of a trumpet is
ruined by an association that Trumps his quasi-fascist stance
(there I go again four no trump (damn)).
TRUMPeted, oh brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a
shadow of post Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of a new
day!", "%n is happy that %d is instruments like TRUMPet and
dilruba together (not to mention jaltarang). ends? What?
(Consider _here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.)
turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable perceptible TRUMPet
dialup on my TRUMPet winsock software? Do I use another computer
alto- script DISABLED truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP
TRUMPery TRUMPet truncate trundle the conch shell TRUMPet or the
dorje. It will not be of pure flame or the blow again TRUMPeter
- conjure war's alarums. cancers blow again blow TRUMPeter again
- TRUMPeter conjure - war's when blow again blow again
TRUMPeter, TRUMPeter dictionary of URLs TRUMPs the installed
dictionary of English words. What there will be no next
election, as the country is placed under TRUMPed up TRUMPet, and
I heard him, that's Mali Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of
a new Our music tonight (TRUMPet, guitar) was tired and
meandering. Can you the TRUMPet case. My headache is getting
worse again. I need codeine. The (though the TRUMPets blew and
the horn did blare) salutation TRUMPet needle the TRUMPeter
grants you, count as gain. He seems determined to make a TRUMPet
sound Wanted: Used alphorn or Tibetan TRUMPet. Will be put to
serious good use. turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable
perceptible TRUMPet like TRUMPet winsock. But these menus would
_not_ be necessary; everything Sans, etc) The (Axa rework
truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP TRUMPery TRUMPet trunc
tripack, troop, trouble, troupe, TRUMP, truss. flares of distant
TRUMPets. but not the monochord or marine TRUMPet. this rebabah
with its internal Below guitarist TRUMPet Cheers when hir plumpy
lumpy rumpy sTRUMPs and TRUMPs! inerrancy TRUMPs inerrancy;
inerrancy TRUMPs contradiction. in TRUMPets, in a manuscript as
dated as the fourtheenth centure r r n TRUMPets, in a manuscript
as dated as the fourtheenth centure in spain who mess with
fusion and Marsalis (all of them) and bass TRUMPet vs. trombone
nor do they sound the TRUMPets of the holy anderson (violin),
(mandolin, below GUITARist TRUMPet cheers bring modified by
chris tracks he's our music tonight (TRUMPet, was TRUMPet
guitarist (mandolin, TRUMPet TRUMPet below cheers cheers below
cheers bring guitarist cheers up TRUMPet cheers /who mercer?
side-walk caving in/ joans mali lick TRUMPet, recorded (Consider
_here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.) thereabout
familz nbc dumps TRUMP asian morning briefing: dow TRUMPeted, oh
brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a TRUMPet, and I
heard him, that's Mali, that's not Donald, DT, delerium tremens,
hates anyone not military white male christian: white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white. I shouldn't be wasting so much time in
a coffee shop trying to concentrate on Peirce's continuum,
Zamalea, and my own humble philosophical meanderings. They trump
everything! (Damn...)
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[Jonathan Marshall]

I tend to agree with the piece that arrived today on nettime, about Trump's resonance with authoritarian voters. Add that authoritarianism tends to increase its appeal when there is a major systemic challenge, and the ruling groups are under threat and apparently cannot keep the system working.

That is a system which encourages fear. People know they are under threat, but don't know what to do. There is no acceptable ideology which does not seem tied in with the system it criticizes. Action seems pointless as people feel it will be successfully opposed or it will hurt them.... People wait in dread, and hope a strong determined person can save them.....

jon

________________________________________
From: Philosophy and Psychology of Cyberspace <***@listserv.wvu.edu> on behalf of Alan Sondheim <***@PANIX.COM>
Sent: Sunday, 28 February 2016 11:58 AM
To: ***@listserv.wvu.edu
Subject: Re: Type <esc> to abort

in a way it's simple; this country is running on fear. you see it in the
streets, on the local news, everywhere. it reminds me too much of pre-
fascist Germany, and I'm not saying that lightly; I've had too many
conversations in the past with Jewish survivors and camp survivors who
pretty much lived under similar conditions. In Philadelphia a while ago we
were at a Mid-East market, and you could see fear in people's faces; it
was horrible, shameful. I can't even talk sensibly about this.

- Alan

Post by Jonathan Marshall

Post by Alan Sondheim
Trump's out and out racism and bullying is unparalleled. All of them would
be a disaster for the US and the world for that matter, given their hatred
of migrants, their stance on climate change, etc. What goes on in this
country on street level is horrifying.

I'm certainly not denying that Trump would be a disaster. His immigration polices would mean something like race war, and the only way I can see that he could persuade Mexico to pay for a wall along the border is if he invaded the country.
So naturally, he seems to think the US should spend even more on the military, when the US is being bankrupted by the military, and more military expenditure would undoubtedly have even more marginal returns.
If you increase people's fear of you, then they are more likely to support those who oppose you, so it increases instability.
He thinks that companies that currently pay zero tax would pay tax willingly if it was reduced, and that this would increase employment. Although simplifying taxation is probably a potentially useful thing, depending on how it is done.
He seems to think that negotiation consists of other people doing what he wants, or he walks out or attacks them. This technique won't work in many places.
He will apparently avoid doing anything about climate change or ecological destruction, thus refusing to face the greatest challenge the world faces.
Basically all these policies are guided by fantasy.
My argument is that none of the other Republican candidates are guided by reality either. None of them are likely to be better than Trump, or more likely to face up to real problems. Republicans are great at blaming racial groups for their problems, it seems to be their standard practice. They like encouraging 'white resentment', it probably deflects resentment from plutocracy. In this Trump is simply more explicit.
All the Republican candidates, and the republican party generally, seem to think that if you refuse to talk with people, refuse to face problems, support corporate dominated 'free markets', support plutocracy, cultivate hate towards outsiders (the poor, minority religions, ethnic groups etc) and threaten like mad, then you can solve all the problems there are.
Hence my suggestion that "the republicans have brought this on America by encouraging disinformation and fantasy politics"
jon

Post by Alan Sondheim
One problem with Trump is that he might even be the sanest of the republican candidates
After all, he is merely a science denier rather than a science denier and religious fanatic like most of the others. and he does recognize that the Bush Jr invasion of Iraq was a mistake, which appears to be a taboo amongst republicans - its always other people who are to blame.
I guess i'm one of those who think that the republicans have brought this on America by encouraging disinformation and fantasy politics, but I guess that would not be something everyone would agree with.
jon
________________________________________
Sent: Saturday, 27 February 2016 8:10 AM
Subject: Type <esc> to abort
Type <esc> to abort
http://www.alansondheim.org/dt.png
cause I hate the fact that Trump is part of Trumpet, just as
Vile Trump is part of Viol-Trumpet duet. Mr Trump has wrecked
music and no matter what I do, the clarion sound of a trumpet is
ruined by an association that Trumps his quasi-fascist stance
(there I go again four no trump (damn)).
TRUMPeted, oh brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a
shadow of post Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of a new
day!", "%n is happy that %d is instruments like TRUMPet and
dilruba together (not to mention jaltarang). ends? What?
(Consider _here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.)
turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable perceptible TRUMPet
dialup on my TRUMPet winsock software? Do I use another computer
alto- script DISABLED truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP
TRUMPery TRUMPet truncate trundle the conch shell TRUMPet or the
dorje. It will not be of pure flame or the blow again TRUMPeter
- conjure war's alarums. cancers blow again blow TRUMPeter again
- TRUMPeter conjure - war's when blow again blow again
TRUMPeter, TRUMPeter dictionary of URLs TRUMPs the installed
dictionary of English words. What there will be no next
election, as the country is placed under TRUMPed up TRUMPet, and
I heard him, that's Mali Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of
a new Our music tonight (TRUMPet, guitar) was tired and
meandering. Can you the TRUMPet case. My headache is getting
worse again. I need codeine. The (though the TRUMPets blew and
the horn did blare) salutation TRUMPet needle the TRUMPeter
grants you, count as gain. He seems determined to make a TRUMPet
sound Wanted: Used alphorn or Tibetan TRUMPet. Will be put to
serious good use. turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable
perceptible TRUMPet like TRUMPet winsock. But these menus would
_not_ be necessary; everything Sans, etc) The (Axa rework
truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP TRUMPery TRUMPet trunc
tripack, troop, trouble, troupe, TRUMP, truss. flares of distant
TRUMPets. but not the monochord or marine TRUMPet. this rebabah
with its internal Below guitarist TRUMPet Cheers when hir plumpy
lumpy rumpy sTRUMPs and TRUMPs! inerrancy TRUMPs inerrancy;
inerrancy TRUMPs contradiction. in TRUMPets, in a manuscript as
dated as the fourtheenth centure r r n TRUMPets, in a manuscript
as dated as the fourtheenth centure in spain who mess with
fusion and Marsalis (all of them) and bass TRUMPet vs. trombone
nor do they sound the TRUMPets of the holy anderson (violin),
(mandolin, below GUITARist TRUMPet cheers bring modified by
chris tracks he's our music tonight (TRUMPet, was TRUMPet
guitarist (mandolin, TRUMPet TRUMPet below cheers cheers below
cheers bring guitarist cheers up TRUMPet cheers /who mercer?
side-walk caving in/ joans mali lick TRUMPet, recorded (Consider
_here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.) thereabout
familz nbc dumps TRUMP asian morning briefing: dow TRUMPeted, oh
brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a TRUMPet, and I
heard him, that's Mali, that's not Donald, DT, delerium tremens,
hates anyone not military white male christian: white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white. I shouldn't be wasting so much time in
a coffee shop trying to concentrate on Peirce's continuum,
Zamalea, and my own humble philosophical meanderings. They trump
everything! (Damn...)
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  Original Message  
From: Jonathan Marshall
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 9:47 PM
To: ***@listserv.wvu.edu
Reply To: Philosophy and Psychology of Cyberspace
Subject: Re: Type <esc> to abort

I tend to agree with the piece that arrived today on nettime, about Trump's resonance with authoritarian voters. Add that authoritarianism tends to increase its appeal when there is a major systemic challenge, and the ruling groups are under threat and apparently cannot keep the system working.

That is a system which encourages fear. People know they are under threat, but don't know what to do. There is no acceptable ideology which does not seem tied in with the system it criticizes. Action seems pointless as people feel it will be successfully opposed or it will hurt them.... People wait in dread, and hope a strong determined person can save them.....

jon

________________________________________
From: Philosophy and Psychology of Cyberspace <***@listserv.wvu.edu> on behalf of Alan Sondheim <***@PANIX.COM>
Sent: Sunday, 28 February 2016 11:58 AM
To: ***@listserv.wvu.edu
Subject: Re: Type <esc> to abort

in a way it's simple; this country is running on fear. you see it in the
streets, on the local news, everywhere. it reminds me too much of pre-
fascist Germany, and I'm not saying that lightly; I've had too many
conversations in the past with Jewish survivors and camp survivors who
pretty much lived under similar conditions. In Philadelphia a while ago we
were at a Mid-East market, and you could see fear in people's faces; it
was horrible, shameful. I can't even talk sensibly about this.

- Alan

Post by Jonathan Marshall

Post by Alan Sondheim
Trump's out and out racism and bullying is unparalleled. All of them would
be a disaster for the US and the world for that matter, given their hatred
of migrants, their stance on climate change, etc. What goes on in this
country on street level is horrifying.

I'm certainly not denying that Trump would be a disaster. His immigration polices would mean something like race war, and the only way I can see that he could persuade Mexico to pay for a wall along the border is if he invaded the country.
So naturally, he seems to think the US should spend even more on the military, when the US is being bankrupted by the military, and more military expenditure would undoubtedly have even more marginal returns.
If you increase people's fear of you, then they are more likely to support those who oppose you, so it increases instability.
He thinks that companies that currently pay zero tax would pay tax willingly if it was reduced, and that this would increase employment. Although simplifying taxation is probably a potentially useful thing, depending on how it is done.
He seems to think that negotiation consists of other people doing what he wants, or he walks out or attacks them. This technique won't work in many places.
He will apparently avoid doing anything about climate change or ecological destruction, thus refusing to face the greatest challenge the world faces.
Basically all these policies are guided by fantasy.
My argument is that none of the other Republican candidates are guided by reality either. None of them are likely to be better than Trump, or more likely to face up to real problems. Republicans are great at blaming racial groups for their problems, it seems to be their standard practice. They like encouraging 'white resentment', it probably deflects resentment from plutocracy. In this Trump is simply more explicit.
All the Republican candidates, and the republican party generally, seem to think that if you refuse to talk with people, refuse to face problems, support corporate dominated 'free markets', support plutocracy, cultivate hate towards outsiders (the poor, minority religions, ethnic groups etc) and threaten like mad, then you can solve all the problems there are.
Hence my suggestion that "the republicans have brought this on America by encouraging disinformation and fantasy politics"
jon

Post by Alan Sondheim
One problem with Trump is that he might even be the sanest of the republican candidates
After all, he is merely a science denier rather than a science denier and religious fanatic like most of the others. and he does recognize that the Bush Jr invasion of Iraq was a mistake, which appears to be a taboo amongst republicans - its always other people who are to blame.
I guess i'm one of those who think that the republicans have brought this on America by encouraging disinformation and fantasy politics, but I guess that would not be something everyone would agree with.
jon
________________________________________
Sent: Saturday, 27 February 2016 8:10 AM
Subject: Type <esc> to abort
Type <esc> to abort
http://www.alansondheim.org/dt.png
cause I hate the fact that Trump is part of Trumpet, just as
Vile Trump is part of Viol-Trumpet duet. Mr Trump has wrecked
music and no matter what I do, the clarion sound of a trumpet is
ruined by an association that Trumps his quasi-fascist stance
(there I go again four no trump (damn)).
TRUMPeted, oh brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a
shadow of post Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of a new
day!", "%n is happy that %d is instruments like TRUMPet and
dilruba together (not to mention jaltarang). ends? What?
(Consider _here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.)
turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable perceptible TRUMPet
dialup on my TRUMPet winsock software? Do I use another computer
alto- script DISABLED truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP
TRUMPery TRUMPet truncate trundle the conch shell TRUMPet or the
dorje. It will not be of pure flame or the blow again TRUMPeter
- conjure war's alarums. cancers blow again blow TRUMPeter again
- TRUMPeter conjure - war's when blow again blow again
TRUMPeter, TRUMPeter dictionary of URLs TRUMPs the installed
dictionary of English words. What there will be no next
election, as the country is placed under TRUMPed up TRUMPet, and
I heard him, that's Mali Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of
a new Our music tonight (TRUMPet, guitar) was tired and
meandering. Can you the TRUMPet case. My headache is getting
worse again. I need codeine. The (though the TRUMPets blew and
the horn did blare) salutation TRUMPet needle the TRUMPeter
grants you, count as gain. He seems determined to make a TRUMPet
sound Wanted: Used alphorn or Tibetan TRUMPet. Will be put to
serious good use. turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable
perceptible TRUMPet like TRUMPet winsock. But these menus would
_not_ be necessary; everything Sans, etc) The (Axa rework
truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP TRUMPery TRUMPet trunc
tripack, troop, trouble, troupe, TRUMP, truss. flares of distant
TRUMPets. but not the monochord or marine TRUMPet. this rebabah
with its internal Below guitarist TRUMPet Cheers when hir plumpy
lumpy rumpy sTRUMPs and TRUMPs! inerrancy TRUMPs inerrancy;
inerrancy TRUMPs contradiction. in TRUMPets, in a manuscript as
dated as the fourtheenth centure r r n TRUMPets, in a manuscript
as dated as the fourtheenth centure in spain who mess with
fusion and Marsalis (all of them) and bass TRUMPet vs. trombone
nor do they sound the TRUMPets of the holy anderson (violin),
(mandolin, below GUITARist TRUMPet cheers bring modified by
chris tracks he's our music tonight (TRUMPet, was TRUMPet
guitarist (mandolin, TRUMPet TRUMPet below cheers cheers below
cheers bring guitarist cheers up TRUMPet cheers /who mercer?
side-walk caving in/ joans mali lick TRUMPet, recorded (Consider
_here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.) thereabout
familz nbc dumps TRUMP asian morning briefing: dow TRUMPeted, oh
brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a TRUMPet, and I
heard him, that's Mali, that's not Donald, DT, delerium tremens,
hates anyone not military white male christian: white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white. I shouldn't be wasting so much time in
a coffee shop trying to concentrate on Peirce's continuum,
Zamalea, and my own humble philosophical meanderings. They trump
everything! (Damn...)
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Post by Subscribe Wryting-L Beth Garrison
Those who wait for a savior wait in vain.
We need to save ourselves.

i agree with the first part :) but the second part is slightly ambiguous. If you mean that we must work together to save ourselves as people, then yes, but if you mean work as individuals solely to save our own self, then probably not... that would seem, largely to support the problems we face, and allows those in the ruling groups who do organise to have a better chance of 'winning' and destroying everything....

I was also wondering if authoritarianism appeals to a large number of Republicans because they explicitly have an authoritarian God, who punishes people forever for fairly minor transgressions, and whose main tactic for producing order is vengenance and insistence on his authority.....?

Of course the myth is so pronounced that even atheists tend to think the universe is hostile to them. and those who invent new religions think that God should make them wealthy if God likes them.... thus justifying the divisions that exist....

jon

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Original Message
From: Jonathan Marshall
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 9:47 PM
To: ***@listserv.wvu.edu
Reply To: Philosophy and Psychology of Cyberspace
Subject: Re: Type <esc> to abort

I tend to agree with the piece that arrived today on nettime, about Trump's resonance with authoritarian voters. Add that authoritarianism tends to increase its appeal when there is a major systemic challenge, and the ruling groups are under threat and apparently cannot keep the system working.

That is a system which encourages fear. People know they are under threat, but don't know what to do. There is no acceptable ideology which does not seem tied in with the system it criticizes. Action seems pointless as people feel it will be successfully opposed or it will hurt them.... People wait in dread, and hope a strong determined person can save them.....

jon

________________________________________
From: Philosophy and Psychology of Cyberspace <***@listserv.wvu.edu> on behalf of Alan Sondheim <***@PANIX.COM>
Sent: Sunday, 28 February 2016 11:58 AM
To: ***@listserv.wvu.edu
Subject: Re: Type <esc> to abort

in a way it's simple; this country is running on fear. you see it in the
streets, on the local news, everywhere. it reminds me too much of pre-
fascist Germany, and I'm not saying that lightly; I've had too many
conversations in the past with Jewish survivors and camp survivors who
pretty much lived under similar conditions. In Philadelphia a while ago we
were at a Mid-East market, and you could see fear in people's faces; it
was horrible, shameful. I can't even talk sensibly about this.

- Alan

Post by Subscribe Wryting-L Beth Garrison

Post by Alan Sondheim
Trump's out and out racism and bullying is unparalleled. All of them would
be a disaster for the US and the world for that matter, given their hatred
of migrants, their stance on climate change, etc. What goes on in this
country on street level is horrifying.

I'm certainly not denying that Trump would be a disaster. His immigration polices would mean something like race war, and the only way I can see that he could persuade Mexico to pay for a wall along the border is if he invaded the country.
So naturally, he seems to think the US should spend even more on the military, when the US is being bankrupted by the military, and more military expenditure would undoubtedly have even more marginal returns.
If you increase people's fear of you, then they are more likely to support those who oppose you, so it increases instability.
He thinks that companies that currently pay zero tax would pay tax willingly if it was reduced, and that this would increase employment. Although simplifying taxation is probably a potentially useful thing, depending on how it is done.
He seems to think that negotiation consists of other people doing what he wants, or he walks out or attacks them. This technique won't work in many places.
He will apparently avoid doing anything about climate change or ecological destruction, thus refusing to face the greatest challenge the world faces.
Basically all these policies are guided by fantasy.
My argument is that none of the other Republican candidates are guided by reality either. None of them are likely to be better than Trump, or more likely to face up to real problems. Republicans are great at blaming racial groups for their problems, it seems to be their standard practice. They like encouraging 'white resentment', it probably deflects resentment from plutocracy. In this Trump is simply more explicit.
All the Republican candidates, and the republican party generally, seem to think that if you refuse to talk with people, refuse to face problems, support corporate dominated 'free markets', support plutocracy, cultivate hate towards outsiders (the poor, minority religions, ethnic groups etc) and threaten like mad, then you can solve all the problems there are.
Hence my suggestion that "the republicans have brought this on America by encouraging disinformation and fantasy politics"
jon

Post by Alan Sondheim
One problem with Trump is that he might even be the sanest of the republican candidates
After all, he is merely a science denier rather than a science denier and religious fanatic like most of the others. and he does recognize that the Bush Jr invasion of Iraq was a mistake, which appears to be a taboo amongst republicans - its always other people who are to blame.
I guess i'm one of those who think that the republicans have brought this on America by encouraging disinformation and fantasy politics, but I guess that would not be something everyone would agree with.
jon
________________________________________
Sent: Saturday, 27 February 2016 8:10 AM
Subject: Type <esc> to abort
Type <esc> to abort
http://www.alansondheim.org/dt.png
cause I hate the fact that Trump is part of Trumpet, just as
Vile Trump is part of Viol-Trumpet duet. Mr Trump has wrecked
music and no matter what I do, the clarion sound of a trumpet is
ruined by an association that Trumps his quasi-fascist stance
(there I go again four no trump (damn)).
TRUMPeted, oh brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a
shadow of post Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of a new
day!", "%n is happy that %d is instruments like TRUMPet and
dilruba together (not to mention jaltarang). ends? What?
(Consider _here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.)
turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable perceptible TRUMPet
dialup on my TRUMPet winsock software? Do I use another computer
alto- script DISABLED truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP
TRUMPery TRUMPet truncate trundle the conch shell TRUMPet or the
dorje. It will not be of pure flame or the blow again TRUMPeter
- conjure war's alarums. cancers blow again blow TRUMPeter again
- TRUMPeter conjure - war's when blow again blow again
TRUMPeter, TRUMPeter dictionary of URLs TRUMPs the installed
dictionary of English words. What there will be no next
election, as the country is placed under TRUMPed up TRUMPet, and
I heard him, that's Mali Clarion TRUMPets blare out the truth of
a new Our music tonight (TRUMPet, guitar) was tired and
meandering. Can you the TRUMPet case. My headache is getting
worse again. I need codeine. The (though the TRUMPets blew and
the horn did blare) salutation TRUMPet needle the TRUMPeter
grants you, count as gain. He seems determined to make a TRUMPet
sound Wanted: Used alphorn or Tibetan TRUMPet. Will be put to
serious good use. turbulence turmoil turn twirl perceivable
perceptible TRUMPet like TRUMPet winsock. But these menus would
_not_ be necessary; everything Sans, etc) The (Axa rework
truculent trudge true truism truly TRUMP TRUMPery TRUMPet trunc
tripack, troop, trouble, troupe, TRUMP, truss. flares of distant
TRUMPets. but not the monochord or marine TRUMPet. this rebabah
with its internal Below guitarist TRUMPet Cheers when hir plumpy
lumpy rumpy sTRUMPs and TRUMPs! inerrancy TRUMPs inerrancy;
inerrancy TRUMPs contradiction. in TRUMPets, in a manuscript as
dated as the fourtheenth centure r r n TRUMPets, in a manuscript
as dated as the fourtheenth centure in spain who mess with
fusion and Marsalis (all of them) and bass TRUMPet vs. trombone
nor do they sound the TRUMPets of the holy anderson (violin),
(mandolin, below GUITARist TRUMPet cheers bring modified by
chris tracks he's our music tonight (TRUMPet, was TRUMPet
guitarist (mandolin, TRUMPet TRUMPet below cheers cheers below
cheers bring guitarist cheers up TRUMPet cheers /who mercer?
side-walk caving in/ joans mali lick TRUMPet, recorded (Consider
_here_ the onset-characteristics of a TRUMPet tone.) thereabout
familz nbc dumps TRUMP asian morning briefing: dow TRUMPeted, oh
brilliance, sounds out it's own future, as a TRUMPet, and I
heard him, that's Mali, that's not Donald, DT, delerium tremens,
hates anyone not military white male christian: white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white white white white white white white
white white white white. I shouldn't be wasting so much time in
a coffee shop trying to concentrate on Peirce's continuum,
Zamalea, and my own humble philosophical meanderings. They trump
everything! (Damn...)
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Post by Jonathan Marshall
I was also wondering if authoritarianism appeals to a large number of
Republicans because they explicitly have an authoritarian God, who
punishes people forever for fairly minor transgressions, and whose main
tactic for producing order is vengenance and insistence on his
authority.....?
Of course the myth is so pronounced that even atheists tend to think the
universe is hostile to them. and those who invent new religions think
that God should make them wealthy if God likes them.... thus justifying
the divisions that exist....

This just doesn't ring true (and we've lived in West Virginia, etc., in
the heart of fundamentalism). God has nothing to do with it; either does
religion. Fear and anger and feeling the country is out of control has
everything to do with it, as well as the explosion of drugs, violence, and
suicide among poor whites across the US. The Trump electorate is furious;
again, the end of Weimar comes to mind.

- Alan

[Mari Schupp]

i usually eschew political and/or religious discussion. i think neither can ever be a clear issue. neither is truly about what is best for a people. both are about power. who can control the most people best. thus, the church will sometimes use a political agenda to extend its control. likewise, politicians will factor in a religious agenda when needed. sometimes, i wish the world existed without both. and we, both as individuals and as small groups, do need to save ourselves, because any majority will certainly not. the machine will always roll on and over, it is too big to consider any individual. and yet the collected individuals must survive for and reasonable change to come about.

i now retire back to my politico-religious lurking.
m

Post by Jonathan Marshall
I was also wondering if authoritarianism appeals to a large number of Republicans because they explicitly have an authoritarian God, who punishes people forever for fairly minor transgressions, and whose main tactic for producing order is vengenance and insistence on his authority.....?
Of course the myth is so pronounced that even atheists tend to think the universe is hostile to them. and those who invent new religions think that God should make them wealthy if God likes them.... thus justifying the divisions that exist....

This just doesn't ring true (and we've lived in West Virginia, etc., in the heart of fundamentalism). God has nothing to do with it; either does religion. Fear and anger and feeling the country is out of control has everything to do with it, as well as the explosion of drugs, violence, and suicide among poor whites across the US. The Trump electorate is furious; again, the end of Weimar comes to mind.
- Alan

[Jonathan Marshall]

Please pardon the long quotes at front.

Post by Alan Sondheim

Post by Jonathan Marshall
I was also wondering if authoritarianism appeals to a large number of
Republicans because they explicitly have an authoritarian God, who
punishes people forever for fairly minor transgressions, and whose main
tactic for producing order is vengenance and insistence on his
authority.....?
Of course the myth is so pronounced that even atheists tend to think the
universe is hostile to them. and those who invent new religions think
that God should make them wealthy if God likes them.... thus justifying
the divisions that exist....

This just doesn't ring true (and we've lived in West Virginia, etc., in
the heart of fundamentalism). God has nothing to do with it; either does
religion. Fear and anger and feeling the country is out of control has
everything to do with it, as well as the explosion of drugs, violence, and
suicide among poor whites across the US. The Trump electorate is furious;
again, the end of Weimar comes to mind.

I don't want to deny the importance of fear and anger, or the surveys which seem to demonstrate that a large number of Americans seem to have realised that the 'ruling groups' largely do not care about them.

However, for me, it seems that to vote for Trump, a person must have to have a cosmology in which authoritarianism and hinted violence makes sense (as it did in Weimar Germany). It must seem like a possible solution, rather than an incoherent response which makes even greater disruption and suffering more likely. If you think the latter, then you will not vote for him. A non-authoritarian person's loyalties to the Republicans may keep them from voting Democrat, but they won't vote for Trump, and they won't accept the idea that Trump is not as bad as he appears (as people did with George W.).

Sometimes people who point to the surveys of perceptions about the ruling groups, use this to explain why Sanders has become so popular, despite him being almost completely ignored by the mainstream media until relatively recently. However, choosing to solve problems through supporting Sanders does not seem an authoritarian response. It may (i don't know) be equally impractical, but it is not authoritarian. Consequently, authoritarianism is not the only possible response to US problems.

So why are the Republicans apparently more enamoured of authoritarians? as Trump does seem to be popular with Republican voters.
They do claim to be the party of religion. And their religion tends to be authoritarian with an authoritarian God. Their vision of the cosmos is one in which power makes right.
They are a party which loves the military and its authority.
They are the party of science denial. The authority of faith again.
They are virulent espousers of 'free market' ideology, also only backed by faith and power.
They always seem to agitate to put more people in prison, or to execute them - which has to be a marker of authoritarianism.

I am reminded recently of an article i read recently in which a lawyer recommended something like that if you were for the defense then, unless the accused was an authoritarian christian, you should try and remove fundamentalists from the jury on the grounds that they would convict 'others', almost irrespective of the evidence, because their cosmology, their God, justified such punative behaviours and made them natural. (Sorry i can't remember the article's name or author)

This is not to say there are not authoritarians in the Democratic party, of course there are, but they are not as mainstream, and they are probably the Democrats to whom Trump appeals more than either Sanders or Clinton.

Nobody necessarily has to mention God, they just have to have something similar to the kind of authoritarian cosmology, reinforced by authoritarian religions and promulgated widely in their society, for Trump to make sense - to be a 'saviour'.

Which takes me back to the original point. There is little evidence I have seen that Trump is particularly worse than the other Republican candidates. Indeed I have read articles by republicans saying he is practically mainstream, other than in his apparent lack of religion.

I also read yesterday that he supported Planned Parenthood, which means he does not believe the misinformation campaign that has been being run by mainstream Republicans. He is able to look at real evidence to an extent. So this may also indicate he is better than those who can't. It does not, however, mean he should be elected!

jon

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